Ganging up?
Oh, my God, what a pathetic excuse for an adult. Ganging up? You come out and destroy a perectly good discussion again and again and then complain that you're the victim - - - again!
Grow up, for goodness sake.
Mike - ganging up? What is up with you in this case? You started a topic and it gets bogged down in insults by rahul and obfuscation yet again - my apologies if some of us wish to discuss a topic without wanting to be harrangued by someone throwing a hissy-fit.
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I guess a certain member here gets to post derogatory stuff about someone like Gandhi, and then they'll probably claim it wasn't an insult
You'll excuse me if this is the only part of your posts that I will quote otherwise it only adds to the nonsense. The topic is a topic, it does not address anyone here directly or personally - unless you are Gandhi/Gahndi/Ghandi/Gandi. Do you have no clue about what constitutes a discussion?
If you don't know what transliteration encompasses, then study it and the comment about 'western' ways. The reverse is alo true. How would you transliterate a name like 'Mike' and what would be the yardstick on whether it is right or wrong?
Pronounciation and recognition.
A few weeks ago it was me, now it's Korat kat . . . who is next, and under what pretext this time?
No, it doesn't bother me one bit that you are so knowledgable. Please continue to enlighten us on how Asian names should be spelt the way Mr. Korat Cat wants it to be spelt ... It's quite interesting, when seen from a certain perspective ...
@ Rahul
I might not be a native speaker of english but of a germanic language, and therefore am fully familiar with the Roman alphabet which is slowly coming into use as a "second" alphabet in Asia thanks to teachers from western countries. It has become the bridge between the many different local alphabets based upon its use in the developed countries.
Somebody who acquires english as a second language has a problem called "First Language Interference". Sure I use English with some FLI too. But for example I can be better understood by people using different dialects of english than they each other. Because my FLI comes from a language not only very closely related to but basic to english. BTW for many years I kept teaching higher classes of english than you recommeded me to take again:mrgreen:
What makes you deny other peoples competence? :roll
How can you say that somebody who affirms another person's statement is "ganging up"? Does the whole world now consist of crooks in your perspective?
If you want to answer this, please discuss it rationally.
No, it doesn't bother me one bit that you are so knowledgable. Please continue to enlighten us on how Asian names should be spelt the way Mr. Korat Cat wants it to be spelt ... It's quite interesting, when seen from a certain perspective ...
@ Rahul
I might not be a native speaker of english but of a germanic language, and therefore am fully familiar with the Roman alphabet which is slowly coming into use as a "second" alphabet in Asia thanks to teachers from western countries. It has become the bridge between the many different local alphabets based upon its use in the developed countries.
Did I ever question your familiarity with the Roman alphabet?
KoratCat wrote:
Somebody who acquires english as a second language has a problem called "First Language Interference". Sure I use English with some FLI too. But for example I can be better understood by people using different dialects of english than they each other. Because my FLI comes from a language not only very closely related to but basic to english. BTW for many years I kept teaching higher classes of english than you recommeded me to take again:mrgreen:
What makes you deny other peoples competence? :roll
Let's leave the competence bit out of it - I guess that part's getting too personal.
However, your insistence on transliterating Gandhi as Gandi also sounds kinda personal to me ...
So, if you back off on that part, I won't keep bringing up the fact that English is your second language. To be quite honest, I don't like doing that sort of thing ... But, I don't like non Asians trying to prove they know how Asian names should be transliterated, or spelt, or whatever ...
KoratCat wrote:
How can you say that somebody who affirms another person's statement is "ganging up"? Does the whole world now consist of crooks in your perspective?
If you want to answer this, please discuss it rationally.
KoratCat
Geez, here we go again with the English part of things. Korat Cat, the term "ganging up" doesnt necessarily mean there are crooks involved in the process. It's a slang - here it basically means two against one, and that sort of thing. And it's not something which is just used in the US ...
Mike would be more than glad to explain to you, if you don't believe me.
However, your insistence on transliterating Gandhi as Gandi also sounds kinda personal to me ...
So, if you back off on that part, I won't keep bringing up the fact that English is your second language. To be quite honest, I don't like doing that sort of thing ... But, I don't like non Asians trying to prove they know how Asian names should be transliterated, or spelt, or whatever ...
Transliteration being personal? How? Where? Why? And English is clearly not your mother tongue either, is it?
You simply don't seem to understand what the issue is here. I'll try:
Transliterating something is not done for reasons of bias or bigotry or anything connected to it. It is a matter phonetics: production, transmission, and reception of speech sounds
The letter 'h' has no phonetic bearing for this particular name. Take away the 'h' and the pronounciation would be the same = Transliteration
I'm only repeating what KK said, but is it clear now? I really can't see why this is causing you so much hurt and creating so much aggro within you.
However, your insistence on transliterating Gandhi as Gandi also sounds kinda personal to me ...
Was he a very close relative of yours?
RahulDG wrote:
So, if you back off on that part, I won't keep bringing up the fact that English is your second language.
I just don't mind you bringing up the fact that english is my second language. In consideration of my command of english that can only be meant as an honour.:D
RahulDG wrote:
To be quite honest, I don't like doing that sort of thing ... But, I don't like non Asians trying to prove they know how Asian names should be transliterated, or spelt, or whatever ...
The issue here is not the transliteration of Asian names but transliteration itself. Would the person we're talking about originate from Europe and his name sound like "Gandi" the transliteration were the same. Sorry I cannot type the International Phonetic Alphabet on my PC to show you, closest I can do is <gaendi:>.
To keep accusing anybody of a false transliteration you have to show the sounding of his name in the International Phonetic Alphabet.
I assume you think the Roman Alphabet has been developed in Asia. I don't know whether it has or has not; the Roman Empire was huge . . . Nevertheless is the issue here to transliterate an Indian name into the Roman alphabet so people who use the Roman alphabet can pronounce the name adequately. Required for this is the Knowledge of the western phonetics and phonology as explained before. It would be most interesting to find any documents in a western language by Mahatma Gandi to see how he spelled his own name. Then no transliteration were necessary, we would just follow his will. Anyway I just gave a recommendation to Mike how to spell the name in the light of modern phonology.
KoratCat wrote:
How can you say that somebody who affirms another person's statement is "ganging up"? Does the whole world now consist of crooks in your perspective?
If you want to answer this, please discuss it rationally.
KoratCat[/quote]
Geez, here we go again with the English part of things. Korat Cat, the term "ganging up" doesnt necessarily mean there are crooks involved in the process. It's a slang - here it basically means two against one, and that sort of thing. And it's not something which is just used in the US ...
Mike would be more than glad to explain to you, if you don't believe me.
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Can this be taken as a statement that political parties, interest groups etc. are all just "gangs" in what you assume to be american slang?
But if Mike insists of having people use vulgar and restricted code on his forum, I will try to comply.
And can you imagine what the world were like if no two or more people were allowed to agree and share the same opinion and attitude? Chaos by decree!
So, KoratCat . . . what is transliteration really? It's not quit clear enough.
A tool by western imperialists to drag the eastern people down to murky depths?
The cads!
Before I had thought it to be the bridge between cultures, meant to enable the reproduction and recognition of names in another alphabet by more people than just those with the command of that alphabet. For the exchange of information, business transactions etc.
But I see you're also beginning to have doubts due to the convincing contributions of another participant in this discussion.
Could it be that he means complete closure of the borders to the west, no exporting there, no tourists from there etc. Just back to fundamental lifestyles and self-sufficiency economy. Weren't that bad, if the people I hear propagating this tune didn't associate bombs and suicide attacks on others as a must with it.
However, your insistence on transliterating Gandhi as Gandi also sounds kinda personal to me ...
Was he a very close relative of yours?
Now this is about as dumb as it gets ... you first happily stand by while Mr. Komodo posts insults about Gandhi, then ask me this silly question. What gives?
Or should I start posting derogatory statements about Western leaders to even things up?
KoratCat wrote:
RahulDG wrote:
So, if you back off on that part, I won't keep bringing up the fact that English is your second language.
I just don't mind you bringing up the fact that english is my second language. In consideration of my command of english that can only be meant as an honour.:D
Well, then why did you bring it up in the first place in your last post?
KK, your posts make less sense every time you post ... think before you post, please.
KoratCat wrote:
RahulDG wrote:
To be quite honest, I don't like doing that sort of thing ... But, I don't like non Asians trying to prove they know how Asian names should be transliterated, or spelt, or whatever ...
The issue here is not the transliteration of Asian names but transliteration itself. Would the person we're talking about originate from Europe and his name sound like "Gandi" the transliteration were the same. Sorry I cannot type the International Phonetic Alphabet on my PC to show you, closest I can do is <gaendi:>.
To keep accusing anybody of a false transliteration you have to show the sounding of his name in the International Phonetic Alphabet.
I assume you think the Roman Alphabet has been developed in Asia. I don't know whether it has or has not; the Roman Empire was huge . . . Nevertheless is the issue here to transliterate an Indian name into the Roman alphabet so people who use the Roman alphabet can pronounce the name adequately. Required for this is the Knowledge of the western phonetics and phonology as explained before. It would be most interesting to find any documents in a western language by Mahatma Gandi to see how he spelled his own name. Then no transliteration were necessary, we would just follow his will. Anyway I just gave a recommendation to Mike how to spell the name in the light of modern phonology.
Thanks for the extensive lecture, but it really wasn't needed - I don't think Gandhi himself was too concerned about if Westerners transliterated his name correctly. Quite frankly, neither am I. This is all foolishness on your part ... you seem to know next to nothing about him, so you keep rambling on about this transliteration stuff.
Or did you just copy and paste from the internet? Wouldn't surprise me if you did ...
KoratCat wrote:
KoratCat wrote:
How can you say that somebody who affirms another person's statement is "ganging up"? Does the whole world now consist of crooks in your perspective?
If you want to answer this, please discuss it rationally.
KoratCat
Geez, here we go again with the English part of things. Korat Cat, the term "ganging up" doesnt necessarily mean there are crooks involved in the process. It's a slang - here it basically means two against one, and that sort of thing. And it's not something which is just used in the US ...
Mike would be more than glad to explain to you, if you don't believe me.
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Can this be taken as a statement that political parties, interest groups etc. are all just "gangs" in what you assume to be american slang?
But if Mike insists of having people use vulgar and restricted code on his forum, I will try to comply.
And can you imagine what the world were like if no two or more people were allowed to agree and share the same opinion and attitude? Chaos by decree!
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I don't see "ganging up" as being a vulgar term. I guess it is to some, but not me (quite frankly, your the first person I've heard who says it's vulgar). And I really think your knowledge of commonly used English terms is sadly lacking ...
As for your "chaos by decree" statement ... huh??? Where does that fit into the overall scheme of anything??
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So, KoratCat . . . what is transliteration really? It's not quit clear enough.
A tool by western imperialists to drag the eastern people down to murky depths?
The cads!
Before I had thought it to be the bridge between cultures, meant to enable the reproduction and recognition of names in another alphabet by more people than just those with the command of that alphabet. For the exchange of information, business transactions etc.
But I see you're also beginning to have doubts due to the convincing contributions of another participant in this discussion.
Could it be that he means complete closure of the borders to the west, no exporting there, no tourists from there etc. Just back to fundamental lifestyles and self-sufficiency economy. Weren't that bad, if the people I hear propagating this tune didn't associate bombs and suicide attacks on others as a must with it.
Who are those people? Care to elaborate?
I have a feeling I know what your about to type, but let's see if the Komodo's already drilled his insane biases into your head as yet ... _________________ Dongguan Expat - Your online Community!
KK, your posts make less sense every time you post ... think before you post, please.
Why am I not surprised to see you asking me to post in a restricted code that suits your understanding?
Of 15,951 members of AEF you're the only one who has stated problems understanding a sophisticated code describing lingual science.
The relation of 15,950 : 1 leads me leads me to the conclusion that 99.993730407523510971786833855799 % of the registered AEF members have no problems understanding. And I am sure, webstatistics indicate more appreciation of my style of information than you can imagine.
Of course you can keep on posting here what you think intelligent, Forgive me for not quoting your posts anymore. Concessions to your way of thinking are just not possible. If you feel like getting even barer, only Mike can stop you from making even more a fool of yourself.
KK, your posts make less sense every time you post ... think before you post, please.
Why am I not surprised to see you asking me to post in a restricted code that suits your understanding?
Of 15,951 members of AEF you're the only one who has stated problems understanding a sophisticated code describing lingual science.
The relation of 15,950 : 1 leads me leads me to the conclusion that 99.993730407523510971786833855799 % of the registered AEF members have no problems understanding. And I am sure, webstatistics indicate more appreciation of my style of information than you can imagine.
Wow, you sure can press the number keys on a keyboard, Kat ...
This is getting more and more hilarious - you seem to be even more enlightened (as I originally thought) than your good friend and buddy Mudo (ooops, Modo) ...
15,591 ... again, I can just laugh ...
KoratCat wrote:
Of course you can keep on posting here what you think intelligent, Forgive me for not quoting your posts anymore. Concessions to your way of thinking are just not possible. If you feel like getting even barer, only Mike can stop you from making even more a fool of yourself.
KoratCat
Korat Cat, you just can't stop from enlightening everyone with your special brand of English, can you?
As for making a fool of oneself, you've already done a pretty good job there yourself, especially linguistically. *even barer* (where do you get this rubbish from? )
believe me --have not and do notr plan on readin gall of this thread--I have seen enough yestrerday
why do Rahul and Q end up attacking one another?--why does it become personal? Both of you are out of line on this thread. You 2 guys should be asking yourself the same question. _________________ Asia Expats Forum Expat Friends Dating
A wanna-be English teacher without a teaching nor English degree wants to expose us to his linguistic skills . . .
Even barer is absolutely correct, as is 'even more bare'.
The lower you go, the deeper your hole gets . . .
We want rahul. We want rahul. We want rahul. We want rahul. We want rahul. We want rahul. We want rahul. . . . for light entertainment.
Bring it . . . As in 'bring it, the lassie or coke'.
Köstlich, absolut köstlich!
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why do Rahul and Q end up attacking one another?--why does it become personal? Both of you are out of line on this thread. You 2 guys should be asking yourself the same question.
Possibly you should ask rahul why he had the dig on the China Forum at a very simple question - not even directed at him . . . again . . . and while you're at it, this is not rahul and me, it is rahul and Korat Cat . . . he's just behaving like a prat, as usual. _________________ _____________________________________
Plan B I will start deleting off-topic or any other posts which I deem to be inflamatory. Ill start by locking this thread and the chinese drivers license thread. _________________ Asia Expats Forum Expat Friends Dating
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It's a slang - here it basically means two against one, and that sort of thing. And it's not something which is just used in the US ...
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