Mike, I voted but think the format is a little too tight.
It is obvious that I am not a Bush fan, but the all or nothing format may cause some pause for consideration and then possible a member not voting MHO
As mush as I do not like this administration and Bush himself, there are probably one or two things that he may have done/said that I would agree with.
As you have seen in polls run on the Bush topic, they categorize their questions and/or put in different levels of possibilities .,,, simply put like do you agree with Bush Policy of invading Iraq, none, little, lots, totally .... or something to that effect.
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unfortuneatly the poll softrware does not offer much in the way of options.
to do mutiple choice questioins i would have to make a seperate poll for each one.
please come up for some suggestions on how to reword the options keeping in mind that users can only select one answer _________________ Asia Expats Forum Expat Friends Dating
unfortuneatly the poll softrware does not offer much in the way of options.
to do mutiple choice questioins i would have to make a seperate poll for each one.
please come up for some suggestions on how to reword the options keeping in mind that users can only select one answer
Understand and accepted.... 1 answer poll ..... ok
How about something like
* Do you really dislike George Bush YES ________ 100%
Sounds fair to me
Topeeka - the term HATE would be more appropriate (I'm an American - Thailand 26 yrs.)
Mike, the poll is pretty lame. I reckon it could be broken down into a few more categories. Ie: Do you think GW is into farm games, log mounting, etc. Whoops!!! Almost forgot... After I voted there were 18% for - 18% against GW (I cut down the cherry tree Daddy (HONEST)GW - I think not - it's more like the (not honest GW) news exerpt - seen around the world - well.... It's time for politics..... (the usual 2 min. pause) and UUUUHHH, well it's time for politics ) What a DUMB TURD!!! I'm totally ashamed of this _______!
My fellow Americans that actually think that THE COMMANDER AND THIEF is the guy to run America is one of the MAJOR reasons in which I decided a long time ago to leave my place of birth to "FIND MYSELF". The truth is out there but you've got to look within first (Grasshopper). _________________ Hey! from the mountains
The US system may sound great but runs the danger that it lets a fool virtually run the world. When they elected Roanald Reagan, the B-category movie star, I wonderd how far this craze could go. Bush has finally shown how far it can go.
Yet, with the 2004 elections, I favoured the re-election of Georges Bush. My argument was that what he has started, nobody can stop. If it blows in somebody's face, let it be his. As for the mid-term elections, I urge all US registered voters to vote Republican. Don't give the Republicans an excuse for why their strategy failed. In the end, it will not make much difference. What matters now is who will get the blame.
I feel fortunate not to have US citizenship, because if I had, I would feel guilty if I didn't let my vote count and I'd feel guilty for the outcome, whatever I voted. This election is one nobody can win because winning is losing and losing is winning.
It's sad. The world will never be the same again. _________________ Today in Phnom Penh!
The US system may sound great but runs the danger that it lets a fool virtually run the world. When they elected Roanald Reagan, the B-category movie star, I wonderd how far this craze could go. Bush has finally shown how far it can go.
Actually, it's not just the US "system" ... Great Britain has a different political system from the US, and look at the lap dog running the show there ...
Of course, Bush takes the cake as far as idiocy goes, I fully agree.
taxivantha wrote:
Yet, with the 2004 elections, I favoured the re-election of Georges Bush. My argument was that what he has started, nobody can stop. If it blows in somebody's face, let it be his. As for the mid-term elections, I urge all US registered voters to vote Republican. Don't give the Republicans an excuse for why their strategy failed. In the end, it will not make much difference. What matters now is who will get the blame.
Here is where I'd beg to differ though!! ... It's not about whose face it blows in - it's about ridding the US leadership of a moron. And the sooner that happens, the better it is for the whole world.
JMHO though.
taxivantha wrote:
I feel fortunate not to have US citizenship, because if I had, I would feel guilty if I didn't let my vote count and I'd feel guilty for the outcome, whatever I voted. This election is one nobody can win because winning is losing and losing is winning.
Here is where I'd beg to differ though!! ... It's not about whose face it blows in - it's about ridding the US leadership of a moron. And the sooner that happens, the better it is for the whole world.
JMHO though.
As non-citizen, my priorities are slightly different from yours. Legislation on abortion or gay marriage is non of my concerns. Health nor education are of interest to me, and the economy, we all know the rich will get richer and the poor poorer.
International politics, security, poverty, war and peace, these are concerns that I value. But the policies of Bush cannot be undone. A Democrat House or Senate will make no difference on the events as they will now unfold in the Middle-East.
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RahulDG wrote:
You mean, it's a no win situation for the US, no matter who gets elected??
No. Though it is a fact that it is a no win situation.
When the Vietnam war failed, many of the die-hards blamed this on the loss of public support in the US. This was the point of view of a certain Dr Henry Kissinger (IMO a war criminal), who now consults for the White House in the Iraq war. The Vietnam war was another one of those wars that could not be won.
Again, public support for a war that cannot be won is wading. Again, those that make the peace will carry the blame for the defeat. The only way to prove this line of thinking false is by making those who caused the mess bear respoinsibility for it. That is what I mean when I say "it will blow up in their face".
Somehow, too little people seem to realise the most likely string of events we are likely to see and the effects of a destabilisation of the Middle-East.
When the US sought UN Security Council sanction to invade Iraq, the French foreign minister said something the Americans should have listened to. He warned that the "Iraq invasion would open Pandora's box and that once the lid removed, the forces released would no longer be containable".
It could have lasted longer, the Iraq invasion could even have become a success with the right policies. But the US did it all wrong from the very beginning. The first concern after the defeat of Saddam Hussein should have been security. The day that the national heritage was looted from the Bagdad musea is the day the US lost the war. I think that was the day after Bush declared that "major combat was over."
How do you sell that to the US consumers? If the Democrats get hold of congress, "lost support by left-wing Democrats" will bear the blame. Thus, if the Democrats win this mid-term elections, they will be the ones who caused the US defeat (once more).
If the conservatives win this election, and the destabilisation of the Middle-East takes its course, it will be undeniable that the Bush doctrine is a path to greater insecurity, both inside the US and in the rest of the world. It will become clear that democracy cannot be imposed by invasion and that war is never a good answer. It will have proven that the threat of war and invasion increases nuclear proliferation. These last two years of Bush's presidency are the hour of truth where all Bush's constructs, lies and mystifications unravel.
If the GOP holds on to its majority, it is Bush who will lose this war. If the Democrats gain a majority in either house, the left-wing liberals will lose this war. That's what I meantr with "when they win they lose"
The next president will have a lot of work clearing up Bush's mess, and I may by then throw my support behind a Democrat candidate. But for those last 2 years of Bush's reign, let them show their incompetence, let them show their arrgance for all the world to see. There's so much more to come, you ain't seen nothing yet It's after the midterm elections it all will start. _________________ Today in Phnom Penh!
Here is where I'd beg to differ though!! ... It's not about whose face it blows in - it's about ridding the US leadership of a moron. And the sooner that happens, the better it is for the whole world.
JMHO though.
As non-citizen, my priorities are slightly different from yours. Legislation on abortion or gay marriage is non of my concerns. Health nor education are of interest to me, and the economy, we all know the rich will get richer and the poor poorer.
International politics, security, poverty, war and peace, these are concerns that I value. But the policies of Bush cannot be undone. A Democrat House or Senate will make no difference on the events as they will now unfold in the Middle-East.
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Well, I ain't an US citizen myself either. Never did mention gay marriage, abortion etc either ... why do you assume I was concerned about those things?
And I do value the concerns you've brought up - and I fear that another Bush term won't really put the world on the fast track to achieving those goals.
No, his policies can't be undone - but that doesnt mean he should be re-elected!
taxivantha wrote:
RahulDG wrote:
You mean, it's a no win situation for the US, no matter who gets elected??
No. Though it is a fact that it is a no win situation.
When the Vietnam war failed, many of the die-hards blamed this on the loss of public support in the US. This was the point of view of a certain Dr Henry Kissinger (IMO a war criminal), who now consults for the White House in the Iraq war. The Vietnam war was another one of those wars that could not be won.
Again, public support for a war that cannot be won is wading. Again, those that make the peace will carry the blame for the defeat. The only way to prove this line of thinking false is by making those who caused the mess bear respoinsibility for it. That is what I mean when I say "it will blow up in their face".
I agree with the basic logic, but I doubt Bush will be held accountable for anything.
taxivantha wrote:
Somehow, too little people seem to realise the most likely string of events we are likely to see and the effects of a destabilisation of the Middle-East.
When the US sought UN Security Council sanction to invade Iraq, the French foreign minister said something the Americans should have listened to. He warned that the "Iraq invasion would open Pandora's box and that once the lid removed, the forces released would no longer be containable".
It could have lasted longer, the Iraq invasion could even have become a success with the right policies. But the US did it all wrong from the very beginning. The first concern after the defeat of Saddam Hussein should have been security. The day that the national heritage was looted from the Bagdad musea is the day the US lost the war. I think that was the day after Bush declared that "major combat was over."
How do you sell that to the US consumers? If the Democrats get hold of congress, "lost support by left-wing Democrats" will bear the blame. Thus, if the Democrats win this mid-term elections, they will be the ones who caused the US defeat (once more).
If the conservatives win this election, and the destabilisation of the Middle-East takes its course, it will be undeniable that the Bush doctrine is a path to greater insecurity, both inside the US and in the rest of the world. It will become clear that democracy cannot be imposed by invasion and that war is never a good answer. It will have proven that the threat of war and invasion increases nuclear proliferation. These last two years of Bush's presidency are the hour of truth where all Bush's constructs, lies and mystifications unravel.
If the GOP holds on to its majority, it is Bush who will lose this war. If the Democrats gain a majority in either house, the left-wing liberals will lose this war. That's what I meantr with "when they win they lose"
The next president will have a lot of work clearing up Bush's mess, and I may by then throw my support behind a Democrat candidate. But for those last 2 years of Bush's reign, let them show their incompetence, let them show their arrgance for all the world to see. There's so much more to come, you ain't seen nothing yet It's after the midterm elections it all will start.
Agree with everything, except the "let them show their incompetence" part - they've already shown enough!! I really hope Bush doesnt get re-elected yet again (though I dont see how it could happen anyway). _________________ Dongguan Expat - Your online Community!
how their incompetence" part - they've already shown enough!! I really hope Bush doesnt get re-elected yet again (though I dont see how it could happen anyway).
U.S. Pres. can only get 2 terms; unless, he was a VP and finished his Pres's term through whatever reason.
Anyone hear his speach last night? in his ignorance, he referred to N. Korea's Dictator as a woman.
Quote Bush: "Her country's people blah blah blah...."
I'd much rather have Cheney pulling the strings and representing my country.. _________________ Everchanging - Everevolving, Life's dynamic paradox; so remember- happiness is in the journey, not the destination.
how their incompetence" part - they've already shown enough!! I really hope Bush doesnt get re-elected yet again (though I dont see how it could happen anyway).
U.S. Pres. can only get 2 terms; unless, he was a VP and finished his Pres's term through whatever reason.
Anyone hear his speach last night? in his ignorance, he referred to N. Korea's Dictator as a woman.
Quote Bush: "Her country's people blah blah blah...."
I'd much rather have Cheney pulling the strings and representing my country..
he made another speech last night? rats!! missed it They should move those speeches over to the comedy channel _________________ Asia Expats Forum Expat Friends Dating
Yet, with the 2004 elections, I favoured the re-election of Georges Bush. My argument was that what he has started, nobody can stop.
When I first read your post, I thought you were clearly quite mad.
taxivantha wrote:
Don't give the Republicans an excuse for why their strategy failed. In the end, it will not make much difference. What matters now is who will get the blame.
After reading your post again, I realise there is some logic to it. The Republicans are masters of spin and there would be excuses and moaning and all kinds of ghastly right-wing, war-mongering rhetoric. We all know why the war started: firstly, all the lucrative contracts that would be awarded in the wake of the conquest and secondly the oil that would be used to pay for it. You are quite right though - let there be no doubt about who should be blamed for what history will judge.
taxivantha wrote:
It's sad. The world will never be the same again.
I wouldn't go that far, old chap. That's what my grandfather said after fighting in the Crimea and most people haven't even heard of it.
how their incompetence" part - they've already shown enough!! I really hope Bush doesnt get re-elected yet again (though I dont see how it could happen anyway).
U.S. Pres. can only get 2 terms; unless, he was a VP and finished his Pres's term through whatever reason.
Which is what I meant when I said "I don't see how it could happen anyway" - perhaps I shoulda been clearer here.
SpongeJoeLongpants wrote:
Anyone hear his speach last night? in his ignorance, he referred to N. Korea's Dictator as a woman.
Quote Bush: "Her country's people blah blah blah...."
I'd much rather have Cheney pulling the strings and representing my country..
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would be more appropriate (I'm an American - Thailand 26 yrs.)
It's after the midterm elections it all will start.
