I'd agree with rahul . . . Russian citizenship will do you no good . . . one of the reasons why so many Russians want to get out of the place and obtain a 'better' citizenship.
As for Russian democracy . . . a frightening thought.
Just a comment here on the Blair/labor winning majority and possibly to give rahul a better insight into British politics vis-a-vis US politcs.
The UK has a real multi-party election base, unlike the two-party system in the US. Therefore the number of votes per major party would be less as the votes are split into more groups. _________________ _____________________________________
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Freedom 3. Getting around.
Alan Stepney wrote:
It is an acknowledged fact that many motoring offences are committed by recent immigrants.
Most buy old almost-scrap cars never bother with insurance, RFL or MOT.
Many speak little or no English, have no fixed residence, and no idea of the laws here.
Having a car confiscated and crushed when it has cost virtually nothing is little hardship.
In fact, when they have accidents, which are common, they often “torch” the vehicle or dump it anyway.
Getting a conviction against such people is almost impossible. At least, our officials find it to be so.
Hence they are usually let off with a warning as “the time and expense of getting them to court is excessive”.
What happens if they are taken to court?
One regional court has been instructed to be lenient on recent immigrants and people from other EU countries, as, “they need time to learn our ways”.
Needless to say, that does not apply to the average law-abiding citizen who happens to transgress.
(In contrast, both Spain and France hold offenders until any fines due are paid.)
Forgot to comment on this one ... I must say whoever formulated the above policy is off his/her rocker.
Geez, I'd say local citizens and immigrants should both follow the same laws on this one - if the immigrants don't know the driving laws in the UK, then they should not be driving in the first place, and all that sort of thing. At least, that's my take on it.
Laws on this type of thing should apply equally to EVERYONE ...
An immigrant might claim he/she does not know the laws, but ignorance of the law was never a valid excuse, not in my book at least.
Russian citizenship isn't anywhere near as bad as you guys make it out to be.
I've lived in Russia, speak Russian fluently and have a couple of business concerns in Belgorod which turn a fair profit. I could live there quite comfortably again.
Incase you hadn't noticed, people are clamouring to leave the UK too
It wouldn't be sole citizenship either, ie: Russian passport, but dual citizenship, UK/Russian, until that is my UK passport expires, but that's a bridge that doesn't need crossing just yet. _________________
1. A 16-year-old moped rider spent three hours in police custody on suspicion of stealing his own bike.
When police checked his name against the number plate of his machine, the two did not match.
A police spokesman said there were inaccuracies in records...
"They took my shoe print, fingerprint and put me in jail for three hours. It was strange. It wasn't very nice."
Last Updated: Thursday, 19 October 2006, 09:10 GMT 10:10 UK
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Boy accused of stealing own bike
A 16-year-old moped rider spent three hours in police custody on suspicion of stealing his own bike.
Simon Sharmar, from Bridgwater in Somerset, was riding home from college when he was pulled over for speeding.
When police checked his name against the number plate of his machine, the two did not match.
A police spokesman said there were inaccuracies in records submitted to the DVLA that gave "genuine cause for suspicion on the officer's part".
Police regret
Simon said: "I didn't really know what to think. I knew [the bike] was mine but he kept saying it wasn't.
"They took my shoe print, fingerprint and put me in jail for hours.
Inspector Nic Crocker said that they had contacted Simon's parents and the shop where the bike was bought and had established it was not stolen.
Earlier this year, the Avon and Somerset force were criticised by another teenager, who claimed officers in Bath refused to chase joyriders who stole his moped because they were not wearing helmets.
Max Foster, 18, said he was told by a police officer they could not give chase in case the unprotected thieves fell off the bike and sued the police.
2.
The Human Rights Act is a vital part of the fight against terrorism and should be strongly supported, the Lord Chief Justice has warned.
Resentment and support for terrorism will grow, if immigrants feel their human rights are not being respected, Lord Phillips said in a speech.
(This relates to proposals to withdraw from the UN and EU Human Rights conventions.) _________________ The Middle Eastern states aren't nations; they're quarrels with borders.- P. J. O'Rourke
Russian citizenship isn't anywhere near as bad as you guys make it out to be.
I've lived in Russia, speak Russian fluently and have a couple of business concerns in Belgorod which turn a fair profit. I could live there quite comfortably again.
Incase you hadn't noticed, people are clamouring to leave the UK too
It wouldn't be sole citizenship either, ie: Russian passport, but dual citizenship, UK/Russian, until that is my UK passport expires, but that's a bridge that doesn't need crossing just yet.
No, didnt mean to say Russian citizenship was "bad" per se - just meant that it's probably better to have a Western passport, if only for ease of travel and getting visas easily . But, you will still have your UK passport so all good - I didnt know Russia allowed dual citizenship.
Earlier this year, the Avon and Somerset force were criticised by another teenager, who claimed officers in Bath refused to chase joyriders who stole his moped because they were not wearing helmets.
Max Foster, 18, said he was told by a police officer they could not give chase in case the unprotected thieves fell off the bike and sued the police.
Wow, the level of respect I have for the British police just keeps on increasing ...
Amazing, isn't it . . . on the one hand they are pilloried for being too strong-arm oriented and then for over-respecting the right sand safety of people . . .
Rock and hard place, isn't it? _________________ _____________________________________
Russian citizenship isn't anywhere near as bad as you guys make it out to be.
I've lived in Russia, speak Russian fluently and have a couple of business concerns in Belgorod which turn a fair profit. I could live there quite comfortably again.
Incase you hadn't noticed, people are clamouring to leave the UK too
It wouldn't be sole citizenship either, ie: Russian passport, but dual citizenship, UK/Russian, until that is my UK passport expires, but that's a bridge that doesn't need crossing just yet.
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