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Honouring Japanese War Dead or Insulting Former Adversaries?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im sure there are plenty of wackos and neo nazi types who honor hitler privately...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
im sure there are plenty of wackos and neo nazi types who honor hitler privately...


Probably ... did you read the Ludlum novel "The Apocalypse Watch" Question
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honouring one's war dead is the right of every civilised country, even Japan.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
does anyone go to Hitlers grave and honor him? does he even have a grave?

if he did and they did... imagine the outrage?

having said that-i dont think it should be made illegal to visit a grave


I don't know whether you're being funny or just a smart a*** uhm I'll assume both and return the favour.

Of course I don't advocate honouring Hitler.

As for Yasukuni Shrine, it honours all 2.5 million Japanese war dead, of whom 14 are convicted war criminals.

The United States has had a few nasty men in uniform too. Does that mean we shouldn't pay our respects in Arlington?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RahulDG wrote:
Mike wrote:
im sure there are plenty of wackos and neo nazi types who honor hitler privately...


Probably ... did you read the Ludlum novel "The Apocalypse Watch" Question


When I went to Dachau in 1993 there were skinheads by the S-Bahn station. Looked like they were coming back from a day trip. ****s.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hewer wrote:
Mike wrote:
does anyone go to Hitlers grave and honor him? does he even have a grave?

if he did and they did... imagine the outrage?

having said that-i dont think it should be made illegal to visit a grave


I don't know whether you're being funny or just a smart a*** uhm I'll assume both and return the favour.

Of course I don't advocate honouring Hitler.

As for Yasukuni Shrine, it honours all 2.5 million Japanese war dead, of whom 14 are convicted war criminals.

The United States has had a few nasty men in uniform too. Does that mean we shouldn't pay our respects in Arlington?

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I am just playing devils advocate here. I find nothing wrong with honoring ones war dead
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hewer wrote:
RahulDG wrote:
Mike wrote:
im sure there are plenty of wackos and neo nazi types who honor hitler privately...


Probably ... did you read the Ludlum novel "The Apocalypse Watch" Question


When I went to Dachau in 1993 there were skinheads by the S-Bahn station. Looked like they were coming back from a day trip. ****s.

cusssing


Oh yes, plenty of those clowns running around ... they're just more discreet these days (at least in the US) - not sure how it is in Germany, though ... banghead

As far as novels go, the Ludlum one I mentioned was a fairly good one though! Complicated, but then all Ludlums are like that.

Of course, nothing beats the Bourne series! Wink I thought the movies were a bit of a let down, so to speak, after the book (especially the second one when Marie dies which is NOT how it plays out in the novel - at least not if I remember right) ... but then the movies are never as good as the novels. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:

I am just playing devils advocate here. I find nothing wrong with honoring ones war dead


That's JQ's job isn't it? But I see he agreed on this thread. Laughing

RahulDG wrote:

Oh yes, plenty of those clowns running around ... they're just more discreet these days (at least in the US) - not sure how it is in Germany, though ...


Ah, it's all a bit overblown in Germany. I can say that having lived there. More in other countries. The only reason you read about German Neo-Nazis is that the Danish ones don't sell newspapers.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, all countries have their "pro Nazi" (or whatever the equivalent would be for a particular country) people .. .

It's late at night, and I think we are all HUMANS ... albeit different colors, which shouldn't matter ...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I agree with Mike.

Initially, Yasukuni did have a chance to remove the class A war criminals. Remember, these class A war criminals were executed for their crime against humanity. They were the ones who let 300,000 get massacred in Nanjing, and number of biological experiments carried out to make Nazi scientists look like kids. Philippines, Korea, China, and other south east asian countries.

Even to this day, they still have the option of removing Tojo and co. fromt their list. But Yasukuni hasnt merely been quiet about the issue. They insist and REFUSE to remove the class A war criminals.

To make things worse, Japan has been very stubborn in its history education. I am led to believe that German students learn that Nazism was bad, and they are never to do it again. However, in number of Japanese text books, Japanese army is still to this day, portrayed as having good will, to liberate Asia from the West. Japan never attacked China. Japan "advanced" to China, and "unfortunate incidents" have caused death of millions of Chinese.

Quite honestly, for other Asians, it IS just like the German chancellor (or president? which ever it is Mr. Green ) going to pay tribute to Hitler.
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