21 years is right about the timing of Muhammed. He was on Earth a LONG time AFTER Jesus. So the people that Kevin refers to as fighting for "thousands of years" were not Muslim. Among the world's religions, Islam is almost infantile in age. It might help if you check out a few of the even most basic of facts BEFORE posting a hypothesis or opinion, Kevin. When you don't , your credibility goes out the window. By the way, that's not a slam, just common sense.
Back on topic, Thaksin shows a complete lack of understanding for the repercussions of his actions.
The Nation newspaper:
Amid growing international criticism and downright condemnation of the government’s Narathiwat crackdown, Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has expressed little remorse for the deaths of the Thai-Muslim protesters, calling it a tragic accident “that we could not have done anything about”.
In a statement read to the Senate, Thaksin said the military troops used a “soft” approach in dealing with what appeared to be a dangerous mob, and the high death toll was due largely to mistakes during the transport of the protesters.
“It was an accident that we could not have done anything about. We are troubled by it, but the authorities did the best they could,” he said, while insisting that authorities followed established procedures for crowd control, but apparently drunken or drugged protesters were threatening to go on a rampage. Thaksin declined to admit that the large casualty count was caused mainly by the inhumane treatment of detained protesters.
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Muslim nations were particularly savage, damning Monday’s drama as “state terrorism” and a “holocaust”.
Anger and outrage was voiced from far and wide – by religious leaders, government heads and human rights groups in Indonesia, Malaysia, Iran, Pakistan, Hong Kong, the US and more.
The head of Indonesia’s Council of Ulemas, Amidhan, said: “They packed them like sardines into trucks."
21 yrs, you are correct in what you say, I was mixed up because i had thought that the Egyptians and Bryzentines who were at war most of the time with Judea were at the time Islamic, and they were not.
Quotes from research..http://www.bibletranslation.ws/islam.html
Zarin Koub was the longtime head of the department of history religion and philosophy, at the University of Tehran. He has also lectured at Columbia University and elsewhere. His book, "History of Religion" has been translated into over 60 languages. Zarin Koub's grandfather was one of the founders of Baghdad University.
Zarin Koub says that Islam has always been a religion of violence. Not peace. From the beginning, its spread was accomplished through physical violence, bloodshed and war. Violence not only against non-Muslim infidels, but also against fellow Muslims.
The Koran commands Muslims to make war, see below. In contrast, Jesus Christ taught meekness and pacifism, and also practiced it. Muhammad on the other hand both taught and practiced violence from the beginning. The Jewish scriptures show a censure of violence as well, even violence that had been ordered by God himself. For example, King David was not chosen to build the temple, but that task went rather to his son Solomon, because, the reason was given, that David had been a warrior and had shed blood.
It can accurately be said, that a Muslim who believes that Islam is a religion of peace not war, is not a true Muslim. Muslims are, however, supposed to SAY that it is a religion of peace, because part of being a good Muslim is to lie to infidels. That is according to the practice of al-taqiya.
Islam is a religion that demands that its followers conquer all Jews and Christians. It wants world conquest. President Bush says, "We are not making war on Islam." Well, that is irrelevant, since Islam is initiating war in the first place. There is a war between Islam and those of us who are Jews or Christians, whether we "make" war or not. Islam perceives the USA as a Christian nation. (Like many abroad, they have wild misperceptions of America.) And of course, a liar believes that everyone else must surely be a liar like himself. So Muslims probably unconsciously believe that America is practicing al-taqiya when it says it is not making war on Islam. All lying, which is a denial of truth/reality, ultimately leads to insanity and evil, which are mal-adjustment to reality.
The most important context is what Muslims actually do with such verses. Islam is the only religion today that I am aware of, that actually kills other human beings in the name of their God. No matter what they say, watch what they do. Some people like to say, "Oh, well, the Muslims who do such things are a tiny minority that have hijacked a good religion." Yet every honest survey of the general populace in the Muslim world, finds that the average Muslim on the street applauds when Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein score some kind of victory against the infidels. It is not a tiny minority at all.
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It's my understanding that Thailand is ruled by a Monarchy, That is to say by a King although to some point democratic in nature up to the point where the monarchy is threatened, And a prime minister sort of oversees the true operation of the govt, Am i correct in assuming this? If not explain the procedure of govt as Thailand is fast becoming a major role player in world politics.
MAG; I am not real sure how it works,,but I do know that the PM runs things and his party[TRT],that he was instrumental in starting, do a lot of things that I hear the King does not approve of, But as far as being overridden by the KING is not possible, The word respect comes in here,,the PM is supposed to RESPECT the wishes and ideas of the King,but at his own disgression,,and if he doesn't want to he doesn't have to,,Respect is just a word that is frequently used here but in fact has no meaning.
But as you notice, I told 21yrs that I would not argue with him on religion, which is not my strong suit,I only know what I have observed in my years living and working around them,, as I am an athiest,so believe none of that christian/ Jesus crap,,but he was right about the age of muhammad/Jesus,,now let him and TS argue with the author of the facts that I posted, Which by the way is exactly how I have seen the Muslims to be.
You're welcome. Coincidentily, His Majesty The King addressed the issue today, which if one reads between the lines is a sharp rebuke of Thaksin:
BANGKOK, Nov 1 (TNA) - His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej has advised the government to resort to peaceful means to address the current problems in Thailand's deep South.
Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra told TNA this morning that he sought for a private audience with His Majesty the King yesterday, and that the beloved Thai monarch had suggested that the government avoid violent measures, but resort to only peaceful means in its attempts to quell the southern woes.
"His Majesty the King expressed his concerns over the current tension in the country's southern border region, and advised that the government use only peaceful tactics to settle the prolonged problems in the region, while avoiding any violent measures", he disclosed.
His Majesty the King also advised that authorities concerned seek for more participation from local residents in community projects, as well as policy designs and decision makings as an approach to address the southern woes efficaciously, said the prime minister.
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It's my understanding that Thailand is ruled by a Monarchy, That is to say by a King although to some point democratic in nature up to the point where the monarchy is threatened, And a prime minister sort of oversees the true operation of the govt, Am i correct in assuming this? If not explain the procedure of govt as Thailand is fast becoming a major role player in world politics.
The ruling in Thailand is called a parlementary Monarchy where all 3 powers are divided.
The head of state is the King who signs all laws that come out of the parlement if he likes them or not. 3rd power is justice which is ruled by Judges.
Same principle as many kingdoms in Europ only difference in Thailand is that the King still seem to haver alot of power towards the people so has a little power over the parlement as the people is a factor to take in account.
Unlike the Kings in Europe are merely some old fashioned santa clauses who make their rounds once in a whilein public and for the rest are meat for tabloids and paperazzi.
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: Violence in the south - solutions??
What about the idea of the canal across the south? This idea has actually been kicking around for over 300 years!!! By all means, give the southerners (who still want to live there...), the land back, dig the canal north of their land, build 2 bridges, and charge exorbinant tolls to cross from the south to the north.
I read a book by Pier Paul Reid titled The Templars recently. A good read for the history from 1000 BC to the 1500's. It deals with the violent times in religions throughout Europe and the middle east. The muslims were, are, and always will be warriors....
a canal across the south would divert much shipping traffic away from Singpore
Yeah, Uncle Lee never liked the idea did he??? The savings (all around) are tremendous and less crappy diesel exhaust in the air as well... FYI, I work offshore all around the world (scientific, oil patch, and salvage).
The money spent already on feasibility studies and some surveys would've paid for 5% of the project already... _________________ Hey! from the mountains
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It's my understanding that Thailand is ruled by a Monarchy, That is to say by a King although to some point democratic in nature up to the point where the monarchy is threatened, And a prime minister sort of oversees the true operation of the govt, Am i correct in assuming this? If not explain the procedure of govt as Thailand is fast becoming a major role player in world politics. 
Thanks for the info, Very informative & clears up any misconceptions. 
