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Who is more racist? Open Racists or Closet Racists?
Open Racists
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Closet Racists
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And see all ya'll fine folks are getting along just fine Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Stepney wrote:
Some (OK, many) years ago the comedy/singing duo of Flanders & Swan did a song called: The English".



The English
(Flanders & Swan)

The rottenest bits of these islands of ours
We've left in the hands of three unfriendly powers
Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot
You'll find he's a stinker as likely as not

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest

The Scotsman is mean as we're all well aware
He's boney and blotchy and covered with hair
He eats salty porridge, he works all the day
And hasn't got bishops to show him the way

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest

The Irishman now our contempt is beneath
He sleeps in his boots and he lies through his teeth
He blows up policemen or so I have heard
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third

The English are moral the English are good
And clever and modest and misunderstood

The Welshman's dishonest, he cheats when he can
He's little and dark more like monkey than man
He works underground with a lamp on his hat
And sings far too loud, far too often and flat

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest

And crossing the channel one cannot say much
For the French or the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch
The Germans are German, the Russians are red
And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed

The English are noble, the English are nice
And worth any other at double the price

And all the world over each nation's the same
They've simply no notion of playing the game
They argue with umpires, they cheer when they've won
And they practice before hand which spoils all the fun

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest

It's not that they're wicked or naturally bad
It's just that they're foreign that makes them so mad
The English are all that a nation should be
And the pride of the English are Chipper and me

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest


Hi Alan,

this song is being considered very important to survival in Thailand as a poster recently stated on Korat-Info:


tuktuk wrote:
Hello Issanrebel
I used to listen to this song in the town of Western Berlin I think in the midsixties.I really enjoyed it.Do you have it on a cd or cassette?
BTW what about Rolf Harris's Two little Boys (going to war,no more?)
Koratcat don't move this item.It's necessarry to survive in Thailand Shocked


Is it possible to get it somehow on CD, cassette or as download on the web?

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Klaus Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the Flanders & Swan songs, Rolf Harris, and almost everything else can be found on Peer-to-peer services.
Albeit that the legality of them is "questionable".

As for legitimate downloads, I suspect that they are too old for the main stream media to feel it worhthwile to release them (again-they were on 45's, vinyl LP's and even 78's!.)

For P-t-P, Winmx is, I am told, one of the best.
I gather that, Limewire and Bearshare are also OK, but dont have as much content available.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Stepney wrote:


The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest



Frankly, I must concur. As fair-minded and objective as I am, I can't see it any other way. I consider myself more a patriot than a racist however.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathon Quibble wrote:
Alan Stepney wrote:


The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest



Frankly, I must concur. As fair-minded and objective as I am, I can't see it any other way. I consider myself more a patriot than a racist however.


See below too, laddie:

Alan Stepney wrote:

Some (OK, many) years ago the comedy/singing duo of Flanders & Swan


Pay special attention to the words in bold. Very Happy Very Happy

No wonder you agree!! Mr. Green Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RahulDG wrote:
Jonathon Quibble wrote:
Alan Stepney wrote:


The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest



Frankly, I must concur. As fair-minded and objective as I am, I can't see it any other way. I consider myself more a patriot than a racist however.


See below too, laddie:

Alan Stepney wrote:

Some (OK, many) years ago the comedy/singing duo of Flanders & Swan


Pay special attention to the words in bold. Very Happy Very Happy

No wonder you agree!! Mr. Green Mr. Green


@ Rahul:

He didn't say he does agree or wants to agree, he simply must!

I didn't know England has become that repressive, but judging by the numbers of escapees who arrive in Korat I don't have any doubts of mass emigration caused by something like that. Too bad they don't leave their forced-on attitudes at home . . . Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KoratCat wrote:
RahulDG wrote:
Jonathon Quibble wrote:
Alan Stepney wrote:


The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest



Frankly, I must concur. As fair-minded and objective as I am, I can't see it any other way. I consider myself more a patriot than a racist however.


See below too, laddie:

Alan Stepney wrote:

Some (OK, many) years ago the comedy/singing duo of Flanders & Swan


Pay special attention to the words in bold. Very Happy Very Happy

No wonder you agree!! Mr. Green Mr. Green


@ Rahul:

He didn't say he does agree or wants to agree, he simply must!

I didn't know England has become that repressive, but judging by the numbers of escapees who arrive in Korat I don't have any doubts of mass emigration caused by something like that. Too bad they don't leave their forced-on attitudes at home . . . Mr. Green


Hi Klaus -

He used the word "must", but I'm 100 percent sure he used it because he felt that way. Oh, our dear Mr. Quibble ... Laughing Laughing

Mr. Quibble doesnt force his views upon anyone, but I sometimes cannot help but bust out laughing at what he writes. It's just so comical (especially when I look at that avatar he's uploaded), especially here, when the song in question is an old song, and it was a musical comedy singing duo that sang it anyway.

What can I say, these octageneranians (I think Quibble's one) are forever stuck in the past. finger Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Must" used in that way is a typically British phrase and not to be construed literally.

When speaking to anyone British, by listening to their accent and the phrases they use it is possible to tell the level of education they have, (usually) type of school they attended, their social level and their place of birth / living.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Stepney wrote:
"Must" used in that way is a typically British phrase and not to be construed literally.

When speaking to anyone British, by listening to their accent and the phrases they use it is possible to tell the level of education they have, (usually) type of school they attended, their social level and their place of birth / living.


I agree, which is why I said what I did above ...

I wonder if Quibble could possibly upload his voice so we could figure out his social level. Laughing I know the tech part of it is no problem ... Would Mr. Quibble be willing Question

Laughing Sorry, that thought is just TOO hilarious!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the mocked-about had realized the target the fun had ended Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KoratCat wrote:
If the mocked-about had realized the target the fun had ended Mr. Green


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To understand the nature of racism one has to look at the cause of racism and an accurate definition is vital.

One thing I have found with many Brits in particular ho settle in Thailand is that they believe the givernment owes them for bringing their 'working class wealth' to Thailand, knocking up one of their women and having the odd sprog running around while they enter their octogenarian times. Then they complain about having to get a visa to stay . . .

Or is it conversely that a group of people sees another as walking atms, free to use and squeeze without remorse on the pretext that they are wealthy anyway.

Racism takes many shapes - aren't we all victims to one form or another, use it as a shield at times, or is it just another word for general discrimination?
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Racism takes many shapes - aren't we all victims to one form or another, use it as a shield at times, or is it just another word for general discrimination?


It is descrimination based upon a persons race, or more often, the racial stereotype.

Almost all countries have some racist ideas, as do many, if not all, people.
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Quasimodo wrote:
To understand the nature of racism one has to look at the cause of racism and an accurate definition is vital.

One thing I have found with many Brits in particular ho settle in Thailand is that they believe the givernment owes them for bringing their 'working class wealth' to Thailand, knocking up one of their women and having the odd sprog running around while they enter their octogenarian times. Then they complain about having to get a visa to stay . . .

Or is it conversely that a group of people sees another as walking atms, free to use and squeeze without remorse on the pretext that they are wealthy anyway.

Racism takes many shapes - aren't we all victims to one form or another, use it as a shield at times, or is it just another word for general discrimination?


I could not agree more on that. Also this typical behaviour seems to come with a certain age. I've seen younger Brits still thinking opposite. Laughing
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One of the expats in Korat, who wants to remain unidentified, has submitted this article to the topic racism for publicatio on my forum. I have got permission to post it here as well. It sheds some light on what we have been discussing on this thread:

Human Rights and Wrongs

Racism is any form of bigotry, prejudice, stereotyping or other socially divisive practice whose primary basis is the concept of race or colour of a man’s or woman’s skin and it is sad to hear so much of it, from not only, but mainly expat’s in Thailand.

There is racism in Thailand, just as anywhere, in some form or another, but just not the same kind that is endemic in the Western World. There is probably no country in the world which consists of different peoples that is free of the problem. Yet Thailand, on the whole is probably one of the few countries in Asia, and probably on earth that has very good race relations at present. Of course ethnic and class relations is another totally different matter and Thailand is less than perfect, but black/ asian men say they find it easier to get into a cab in Bangkok than in New York.

White myths, black omissions: the historical origins of racism in Britain stems from the white supremacy belief and the need for a white colonial civilizing mission. The notion that colonial peoples were savages, without religion, law, or language and were unable to rule themselves prevailed. There were exceptions. The Anti –slavery Society in the UK, partly the American Civil War and individuals in Britain, including William Blake the poet and artist.

In Britain black people were omitted from its historical record from the 1840’s to 1940’s. The origins of racism stem from the view of Britishness, and it is hardly surprising that given the propaganda of the Governments of those days that as soon as WW11 ended, workers brought here from the colonies, to aid the war effort were asked immediately, when they were going home? Or those that returned home to find themselves jobless, were not welcome when they returned to try to their luck in the Mother Country. So we had the “colour bar” in Britain espoused in popular culture and in the schools. Racism took many forms, including the anti Irish sentiment.

We should not be surprised of the forms racism took. The Royal Commission on Population which reported in 1949 said immigrants to Britain should be “of good human stock but not prevented by their religion or race from intermarrying with the host population and becoming merged in it”

The passing of the Race Relations Act in 1976 was the beginning of the end, but had no power to prosecute until the Act was amended in 2002.

Given the above years of struggle it is little surprise that ignorance and racism was manifest in the education system and still exists today.

Blacks and Asians entered Britain in large numbers from the 1950’s onwards, suffered the social, cultural, political and economic effects of this racism, which had its origins in the 1900C onwards. Attitudes to “race” have changed but sadly some still hang on to the belief’s of over 60 years ago. For all the progress, though, ethnic minority Briton’s often find themselves at a disadvantage compared with their white neighbours in their everyday lives. Many are more likely to be expelled from school, jailed, unemployed, poorly paid, living in sub-standard housing and victims of crime

Research shows that if found guilty blacks and Asians receive longer sentences than whites. The proportion of people jailed who come from an ethnic minority community is 20% yet they make up 8% of the population.

Notions of British superiority in the world should now be dead.

The achievements of Black and Asian peoples in Britain and the World are recognized.

92.1 % of Britain’s are white. Only the remaining 7.9% belong to other ethnic groups. And that information comes from the National Census. You can see it yourself on National Statistics online at www.statistics.gov.uk

Racial abuse is offensive and uncalled for. So if you are a racist, better to keep your opinions to yourself, lest the Thai Immigration officials decide to refuse residence of “aliens” on the grounds of being an undesirable. Yes expats are “aliens” here. I checked the dictionary definition.

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